- Can you highlight the major changes to the Race Information sheet?
- I am under 18, can I still run in the race?
- Can I transfer my place to someone else?
- What do you do with all the information collected via the on-line entry form?
- Can I get a refund?
- The race is now full, can I go on the waiting list?
- Can I enter on the day?
- How quickly does the race fill up?
- How do you calculate the entry limit for the race? It seems to fluctuate each year.
- Can you recommend anywhere to stay?
- What kit do I need?
- What does waterproof mean?
- Why do you have these kit requirements?
- I’m new to hill running, what should I bring/wear?
- How does this compare with a 6 mile road race?
- Can I run the race with my dog?
- Can I run the race with walking poles?
- Will there be a running shop at registration?
- Is there somewhere to get changed/shower/keep my valuables?
- What should I take to the start?
- Can I park at the start?
- I’m not happy with the race / I want to make a complaint
- What do I do if I start but cannot complete the race (for whatever reason)?
Can you highlight the major changes to the Race Information sheet?
Mandatory minimum kit now includes waterproof jacket with hood, waterproof overtrousers, hat, gloves, whistle, and map and compass suitable for navigating the course
Stronger warnings not to park at the start
All runners need to have the necessary skills to cope with any navigational problems that may be encountered, whatever the weather
Competitors must take primary responsibility for their own safety on the hills
Erosion note (pass within 10 metres of the partially marked course)
If you see someone in trouble: HELP, even if it costs you the race
I am under 18, can I still run in the race?
No, sadly our Race Insurance does not allow under 18’s to run in the Carnethy 5, however you can run in the associated Scald Law junior race which happens on the same day, starting at the same place. Full details here: http://carnethy.com/scald-law-junior-race/
Can I transfer my place to someone else?
Yes, you do this directly yourself on http://www.sientries.co.uk via the following steps. Note that you will need to sort out any financial arrangements directly with your replacement, and all transfers must take place no later than 2 weeks before the race.
The person who made the original entry logs into SiEntries.
Click on ‘View / Edit my entries’
For the relevant event, click the ‘Edit’ button
For the relevant entrant, click the ‘Edit’ button
Click the ‘Replace’ button
Fill in the details of the new entrant by using ONE of the three options
Make any relevant changes (club etc)
Click save entry
What do you do with all the information collected via the on-line entry form?
It’s used primarily to sort you into categories for potential prizes at the end of the race (age, gender, geographic region etc), plus it enables us to contact you should any problems arise (e.g. you are missing, for whatever reason). The information will not be used for any other purpose.
Can I get a refund?
No, we do not give refunds and this is mentioned in the Race Info sheet when you sign up. However you can potentially get your money back by organising for a replacement to take your place and getting them to pay you, as per the ‘Can I transfer my place to someone else’ question above. Note the race organiser does not get involved in this process, and the waiting list is not available for this purpose either.
The race is now full, can I go on the waiting list?
Yes, this is done via the same on-line system as the main entries, but when the list gets too big it too will be closed. Watch www.carnethy.com for announcements.
How quickly does the race fill up?
The race was full within 45 minutes in 2012, hence from 2013 onwards we are adopting an improved ‘pre-selection’ entry process via SiEntries (like ‘Olympic ticketing’ – only better – full details on SiEntries). Note you can get friends to enter on your behalf if necessary (e.g. if you are on holiday/away etc).
How do you calculate the entry limit for the race? It seems to fluctuate each year.
1. We accept 610 places on-line into the race
2. On race day itself this equates to a typical starting field of about 500 runners, although we could potentially take up to the full limit if everyone showed up. We do not intend to alter these numbers as this could compromise safety, logistics and our environmental impact.
Can you recommend anywhere to stay?
Try VisitScotland and also http://www.syha.org.uk/SYHA/web/site/home/home.asp
What kit do I need?
Competitors must have the following minimum kit with them at all times during the race: waterproof jacket with hood, waterproof overtrousers, hat, gloves, whistle, and map and compass suitable for navigating the course. This is the minimum kit requirement for this event, but you are responsible for carrying any additional items you consider necessary for your own protection given the conditions, or as the race organiser may dictate on the day. Random kit checks will be made. Failure to comply will mean automatic disqualification from the event. All of the above is for your own safety – hypothermia can be fatal
Why do you have these kit requirements?
Firstly, it’s for your own safety, and secondly it is a condition of our race insurance. There will be random kit checks as part of the race. If you are found without this kit you will be ejected from the race, and face a possible ban from future races.
I’m new to hill running, what should I bring/wear?
Competitors must take primary responsibility for their own safety on the hills. You must carry all of the mandatory kit stipulated above (as also listed in the race sign-up and race information sheet). Furthermore it is crucial that you observe any additional kit rules and requirements as set on the day by the race organiser, and that you apply judgement appropriate to the Scottish hills in winter. As an example, for a typical hill race in Scotland the race organiser normally wears and/or carries all of the following items, but many runners will need more than this, especially if they are new to hill running and/or conditions dictate. Note that our race sponsors sell all of this stuff and they are well placed to advise on specific makes/models etc.
Shorts and running tights
Hill running shoes (trainers are not allowed)
Lightweight Goretex jacket with taped seams and hood
Compass, map, whistle
Emergency food, silver blanket
Bum bag or small backpack
In bad weather a spare thermal or fleece will also be carried, and warmer versions of the above clothing may also be necessary.
How does this compare with a 6 mile road race?
The race is over rough open hillside, through thick heather and boggy/rocky sections of ground, with minimal paths. The race involves 2,500′ of very steep ascent and descent, some of which you will struggle to run. It’s fair to say this race will feel a lot harder than a flat road race, but it is not beyond anyone with a reasonable level of fitness. As a very rough guide, the race organiser completes this race in somewhere between his road 10k and half marathon times.
Can I run the race with my dog?
No, this would not be safe for other competitors. You can take your dog on the bus and leave it in the start field providing it is kept on a lead and is being supervised by someone at all times.
Will there be a running shop at registration?
Typically there will be a stall from two of our sponsors, Run4It http://www.run4it.com/ and Pete Bland Sports http://www.peteblandsports.co.uk/. Please contact them directly if you have any particular shop related questions or requirements.
Is there somewhere to get changed/shower/keep my valuables?
Registration takes place in Beeslack School in Penicuik, and there are changing facilities and showers available. You are responsible for taking care of your valuables, and we do not recommend leaving them in the school.
What should I take to the start?
In addition to your running and safety kit we recommend that you take ample warm clothing with you to the start as it can be cold waiting for the race to begin. There will be marquees where you can leave surplus items (but beware, anyone caught leaving their safety kit will be ejected from the race, and faces a possible ban from future races).
Can I park at the start?
No, everyone must use the race buses. Supporters and friends are welcome on the bus too. Please do not park at the start field. Many people chose to ignore this at the 2008 race, leading to a lot of very dangerous parking along the A702 (one of the main trunk roads into Edinburgh, with vehicles frequently travelling at 70+mph); the Police have threatened to ban the race if this re-occurs. Please park at registration, and get the bus, which will shuttle you to and from the race.
I’m not happy with the race / I want to make a complaint
By all means get in touch. Please let us know what you do not like. We welcome constructive criticism. One small plea: the race is manned entirely by volunteers, so don’t forget to thank the marshals as you run by.
What do I do if I start but cannot complete the race (for whatever reason)?
The golden rule of this race is you MUST tell a race official if you retire; as a minimum this would be your full name and race number.
Thanks for reading these FAQ’s, we hope you enjoy the race.